I think this guy has some valid points. You just need to ignore his fairly standard Bush-bashing comments and get to the meat of the arguments.
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After being thoroughly thumped by the voters, and struggling to keep his poll numbers above 30%, George Bush heads to Vietnam, a country whose war he avoided (checked the "no" box when asked if he would volunteer for overseas duty), and, more tragically, whose lessons he did not learn. The idea that a Vietnam-era no-show would even utter the word "quit" and use that war to cheerlead continued loss of US life, limbs and treasure without being excoriated by the press is intolerable.
Daddy may have kept him from Vietnam, rescued him from his failed company while his co-investors lost, enrolled him at Yale and then Harvard Business School, provided the basis for his participation with the Texas Rangers, but even Daddy's friends, it seems, cannot teach George anything worthwhile about history.
The parallels between Vietnam and Iraq have been addressed. Several key points deserve comment.
Proponents of the Iraq War try to distinguish Vietnam by asserting that, in that war, our losing would not have increased the danger of attacks inside the United States whereas with Iraq, they assert, such an exigency is likely if we withdraw. This is John McCain's major argument for raising troop levels. How quickly they forget. At the time of Vietnam, the official line was that we were threatened by the "red menace", and that we needed to fight them in Saigon to keep us from having to fight them in San Francisco. Sound familiar?
One of the arguments made by Vietnam War opponents was that our military action actually accomplished precisely the opposite of what supporters asserted was the major rationale for the war. Vietnam, supporters said, was a client state for China (that we called "Red China") and the Soviet Union, and so the war was a major theater in the struggle against Communism. Ho Chi Minh was, indeed, a communist. But, he was first and foremost a nationalist, who fought the French, the Japanese, the French again and then the United States. In fact, Vietnam had an historical enmity to China, an observation confirmed by the border war with China that started shortly after the United States exited Vietnam. During the war, we drove Ho Chi Minh into the arms of China, accomplishing precisely the opposite of what we claimed were our key aims. We also succeeded in destabilizing Cambodia, leading to the ascension of the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge, and then the conquest by Vietnam, turning the "domino theory" into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Similarly, fighting in Iraq is somehow to reduce the worldwide terrorist threat. Like the Vietnam strategy, however,the Iraq War is accomplishing precisely the opposite. Not only is Iraq the major recruiter for more terrorists, with another grievance against western boots on muslim soil and the feeling of humiliation arising from powerlessness, but its course can hardly be convincing to neighboring states to move toward democracy. [Where the idea that creating a democracy in the middle east would set off regional democratization came from is puzzling. Turkey became a western style democracy in the 1920s, and Lebanon was a democracy of sorts prior to the civil war: neither had any impact on the other countries in their vicinity.]
Like Vietnam, the Iraq war weakens the United States and emboldens its enemies. Daddy kept George Bush from experiencing the Vietnam quagmire. Daddy's minions will not rescue us from the Iraqi quicksand into which he, stupidly, arrogantly, led us. Now he dares deceive us again by lying about the lessons of Vietnam.
There are some exaggerations, but his arguments are some of the most reasonable I've seen. I DESPISE rabid Bush-haters and super-liberal conspiracy theorists. This author is a good example of how we should address politics, with civility and intelligence, not hysteria, paranoia and hatred.
11/18/2006
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Comment: Democacy cannot be imposed on a culture from the muzzle of a gun. 58,000 of us found that out in Vietnam. 3,000 died 9-11 because of this arrogance. We are in Iraq for the oil; our survival depends on it; our Democracy has degenarated into a 'corporation' intent on that survival. You can debate that all you want; China; India; and Russia are all too keenly aware of the consequences!
Typical vague rhetoric. Anyone who disagrees is either an idiot or a right wing crazy, right?
I would tend to disagree with your statements, because they are fairly standard denunciations, and don't even mean anything substantial or offer alternatives.
I strongly support you and your right to this viewpoint, but it sounds like you developed it from hanging around with too many college kids.
Don't really care of you agree/disagree with my viewpoint. To assume that it is 'vague rhetoric' and that I've 'hung out' with 'college kids' ls understandable; I take your response as someone sequestured from the rest of the world. 'Smoke and Mirrors' are the norm; thinking outslde of 'the box'ls not. I am not a academic nor a polititian; I posted my comment (take on things) as someone who has 'been there; done that'. There it is.
I wasn't assuming anything. It IS vague rhetoric. What "arrogance" caused terrorists to attack us? What consequences are China, Russia, and India aware of that we aren't?
Yes, the government is an entity that fights for it's survival, but it hasn't degenerated into that; all governments function that way in one respect or another. A government that doesn't fight for its survival DIES.
"Smoke and mirrors"... "been there done that," more typical, vague, aloof garbage. Elaborate upon and defend your damn opinions, don't pretend to know more than everyone else.
Just so you know, your assumption that I am sequestered from the world is drastically misguided, considering I'm posting political posts on an open web board on world issues, nevermind the fact that you know nothing about me.
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